Thanks, I think I remeber that post by Pierre but it only had the highball slab on that side in it,there's a few cracking looking problems, lots of hard stuff(7c to 8?) some of the easyish ones may be still be undone ?, for example there is a big long slopey traverse into a what looks like a nice hard mantel, it's on a big block which has another problem on it too, its right in the middle of the scree on that side and there is another obvious slabby problem beside it with cleaned holds and slighly pollished footholds,know anything about that one Dave ?? Oh and a Topo would be sweet, if there is info get it out there !!