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I agree with that 100%! "it doesn't need to be a race"
And if there isn't a race, there's no first!

"The best climber in the world is the one who's having the most fun." - Alex Lowe

(Instead of FA in the guide book we can add "The climber to have the most fun on this route at the time of writing was...")

Ok, I've thought about this for a while and read Johns reasoning, so here goes:

I don't think it was rude / ungentlemanly / against the climbers code of conduct for someone else to climb that route. The only alternative would be to expect no one else to pull on the rock or to jump off before the top out which to me seems as fake as Hussain Bolt jogging on the spot before the finish line so someone else can come in first.

The whole question woulda been a bit of a grey area if it wasn't for a the broken bone factor and the years since the cleaning and first attempts. Also it does seem like you guys did different climbs. Dave was working the stand start (in the videos) and from the 7b grade it seems John did the sit start.

If it had only been cleaned for less than a year, Dave was healthy and still working it and either Dave was working the sit start or John did the stand start I think my moral compass would swing more towards "Aww, shoulda asked him to set a deadline before trying it"

In summary first ascents are overrated in my opinion. First ascent should be like first in a race. If others are holding back to let you come in first, it doesn't mean much. As soon as there are other runners holding back it just feels fake. (Coming first while no one else knows about the race is still totally cool though)

(The above is my opinion only and shouldn't be taken too seriously or start any flame wars)

Oh, this John dude  8)

The frenchman speaks the truth! The glory is wherever we believe it to be.
The perfect situation woulda been of course if this John dude had climbed it for himself and never told anyone about it.

Or maybe told someone on his death bed, Rosebud style!  8)

Well, ya said on Facebook you'd love to hear peoples thoughts. I love bouldering, but don't value being the first up something too highly. From the look of that fine piece of rock anyone could have climbed it years since you cleaned it.
Would it have made you feel better or worse if you'd found out some random tourist climber who rented pad for the weekend stumbled across it and climbed it.

Bouldering Discussion / Map of Cllmbing Spots
« on: January 20, 2014, 05:00:56 PM »
Hi Folks

I've just finished the first phase of a pet project I've been working on.

It's just a map of places to climb. Maybe handy if you want to see if there's any climbing where ever you currently are.

Anyone can add / move review climbing areas, and the more that do the better the map gets.

Any feedback / suggestions, let me know.

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